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#482 – Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

Lex Fridman Podcast (2025)

Pavel Durov is the founder and CEO of Telegram.

OUTLINE:(00:00) - Introduction(02:46) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections(11:13) - Philosophy of freedom(14:21) - No alcohol(22:26) - No phone(28:23) - Discipline(49:35) - Telegram: Lean philosophy, privacy, and geopolitics(1:04:57) - Arrest in France(1:21:07) - Romanian elections(1:32:02) - Power and corruption(1:41:35) - Intense education(1:53:36) - Nikolai Durov(1:58:04) - Programming and video games(2:02:17) - VK origins & engineering(2:19:31) - Hiring a great team(2:28:46) - Telegram engineering & design(2:47:49) - Encryption(2:52:46) - Open source(2:57:32) - Edward Snowden(3:00:05) - Intelligence agencies(3:01:16) - Iran and Russia government pressure(3:04:26) - Apple(3:11:23) - Poisoning(3:43:37) - Money(3:52:29) - TON(4:02:20)...

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